bkuhn: @lxoliva,IMO when you put those two in same category, it's slippery...
@lxoliva,IMO when you put those two in same category, it's slippery slope which might cause problems in charging any amount for distribution
View Articlebkuhn: @lxoliva,I haven't seen anything in #RHEL contracts (been some time...
@lxoliva,I haven't seen anything in #RHEL contracts (been some time since I reviewed) prohibiting redistribution to 3rd parties of !GPL'd sw
View Articlelxoliva: @bkuhn charging for distribution places no restriction on future...
@bkuhn charging for distribution places no restriction on future behavior of the recipient
View Articlelxoliva: @bkuhn of course if you don't get the software, you can't distribute...
@bkuhn of course if you don't get the software, you can't distribute it, but it's not because of any restriction you had to accept
View Articlebkuhn: @lxoliva,IMO we have a moral obligation to share useful changes w/...
@lxoliva,IMO we have a moral obligation to share useful changes w/ community. I agree:shouldn't be *required* (I said "promote",not require)
View Articlelxoliva: @bkuhn but demanding others to surrender their essential freedoms is...
@bkuhn but demanding others to surrender their essential freedoms is in direct contradiction of the spirit (and preamble) of the GPL
View Articlelxoliva: @fontana there isn't, indeed. it's just a guiding principle behind...
@fontana there isn't, indeed. it's just a guiding principle behind the OSD, perhaps appearing in the commented version
View Articlebkuhn: @lxoliva, Agree: no *direct* restrictions. But if a copy of a...
@lxoliva, Agree: no *direct* restrictions. But if a copy of a specialized !GPL'd program costs $10k, ∃ subtle pressure to not redistribute.
View Articlelxoliva: @bkuhn I must confess I haven't looked at the contract for quite a...
@bkuhn I must confess I haven't looked at the contract for quite a while, but this assumption is very often held to be true
View Articlelxoliva: @bkuhn exactly. I'm just trying to avoid the risk that “promote”...
@bkuhn exactly. I'm just trying to avoid the risk that “promote” becomes the end goal, which might in turn lead to “require”
View Articlebkuhn: @lxoliva, key question is: does someone *demand* (i.e, require) user...
@lxoliva, key question is: does someone *demand* (i.e, require) user give up freedom, or does activity just yield an unfortunate consequence
View Articlelxoliva: @bkuhn how so? forming a consortium to buy a copy and share among...
@bkuhn how so? forming a consortium to buy a copy and share among members sounds quite advantageous
View Articlebkuhn: @lxoliva, I've noticed this doesn't actually happen in practice. Such...
@lxoliva, I've noticed this doesn't actually happen in practice. Such custom !GPL'd software isn't offered to the public for sale.
View Articlebkuhn: @lxoliva, I'd bet !RedHat sales ppl (many of whose experience is...
@lxoliva, I'd bet !RedHat sales ppl (many of whose experience is proprietary) often poorly describe #RHEL, making it *sound* !GPL-violating.
View Articlelxoliva: @bkuhn another unfortunate consequence: “if you distribute the...
@bkuhn another unfortunate consequence: “if you distribute the software, I'll sue/kill/burn/... you”. how's that not a restriction?
View Articlelxoliva: @bkuhn FWIW, that was a change for the worse from RHAS2.1,...
@bkuhn FWIW, that was a change for the worse from RHAS2.1, http://ur1.ca/3e8y6 that explicitly deferred to packages' licenses
View Articlemlinksva: @bkuhn and cooperation behind freedoms 2&3, and source of free...
@bkuhn and cooperation behind freedoms 2&3, and source of free software movement, reaction against "A cooperating community was forbidden."
View Articlemlinksva: @bkuhn ... that is how I interpret story retold eg in...
@bkuhn ... that is how I interpret story retold eg in http://oreilly.com/catalog/opensources/book/stallman.html ... do I misunderstand?
View Articlebkuhn: @lxoliva, I think it depends. Some consequences are restrictions, but...
@lxoliva, I think it depends. Some consequences are restrictions, but not all restrictions are consequences. This can be subtle.
View Articlefabsh: @bkuhn http://lxnews.org/2011/03/12/rhel-source-policy-is-gpl-compliant/
@bkuhnhttp://lxnews.org/2011/03/12/rhel-source-policy-is-gpl-compliant/
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